The Anime's Position on Pure Boo

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The Anime's Position on Pure Boo
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 24 2016, 05:35 PM Post #1
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I hesitate to open this can of worms, seeing as how it usually devolves into scathing insults, but I'm interested in whether or not the anime's line of thought can in any way be consistent. I'm sure it can't, but I'd like for us to brainstorm and see if it can possibly work. In fact, for those that believe that Pure Boo is the strongest, I'd like to see your rational put forth in a fashion that isn't simply, "the anime said it, therefore I believe it."
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ekrolo2	Jun 24 2016, 05:39 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,601 Group: Member Member #12,689 Joined: October 6, 2015 Gender Male Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The anime contradicts itself. It has the scene of Goku voicing his concerns over fighting regular Super Boo then has everyone act like Kid Boo is the strongest THEN has Goku say Kid Boo would've been a total non-issue with the potara. I think the anime hyping Pure Boo up is merely there to make the final battle feel more climactic and, of course, to have Goku be the strongest fighter out of the good guys.



+ Clearin	Jun 24 2016, 05:59 PM Post #3
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I'm pretty sure it can't be. One half of the Boo saga claims all the same stuff as the manga, with Gotenks being stronger than Goku, base Gotenks surpassing his old SSj self etc, and then the latter half just has Goku get much stronger for no reason. The best reason I can think of is if Goku and Vegeta somehow got to keep some of the power after defusing from Vegetto, but there's still contradictions with the lines inside Boo where Goku says he doesn't want to fight Super Boo (Despite beating up a "ghost" of Gohan who had the same strength)



+ Pyrus	Jun 24 2016, 06:46 PM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Didn't Vegeta and Goku actually fight Evil Boo in his head, too? I think they were getting whooped, but then banded together and managed to make Boo retreat.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 24 2016, 06:48 PM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Well, Boo was f***in' with them, but yeah, it did look like Goku and Vegeta had the upper hand for a little bit.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 24 2016, 06:52 PM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Yeah, then the anime can't even decide what it wants to do there. It's hard to make sense of that section.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Jun 25 2016, 01:24 AM Post #7
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Clearin Jun 24 2016, 05:59 PM The best reason I can think of is if Goku and Vegeta somehow got to keep some of the power after defusing from Vegetto, but there's still contradictions with the lines inside Boo where Goku says he doesn't want to fight Super Boo (Despite beating up a "ghost" of Gohan who had the same strength) I agree with this reason. Regarding the contradictions, I believe they can probably be resolved. The anime implies Goku and Vegeta's power is limited while stuck in a minuscule form; they can only damage opponents the same size as them. Although they could not faze the real Super Buu, they were able to overpower the small Super Buu that faced them. A sword is sharp enough to kill you, but if it became the size of a flea, that sharpness would be useless.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 25 2016, 02:32 PM Post #8
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Clearin Jun 24 2016, 05:59 PM I'm pretty sure it can't be. One half of the Boo saga claims all the same stuff as the manga, with Gotenks being stronger than Goku, base Gotenks surpassing his old SSj self etc, and then the latter half just has Goku get much stronger for no reason. The best reason I can think of is if Goku and Vegeta somehow got to keep some of the power after defusing from Vegetto, but there's still contradictions with the lines inside Boo where Goku says he doesn't want to fight Super Boo (Despite beating up a "ghost" of Gohan who had the same strength) True, but I guess you could use the age ol' excuse that he said the because he didn't know if he was going to return to normal size. I mean, the Diffusion theory is probably the best solution to this conundrum, but we're never told Goku and Vegeta got stronger. I suppose that would have to be the conclusion if they're keeping up with someone stronger than Boohan tho... Funnily enough, if I remove the increase to the multiplier as a result of Goku and Vegeta's rivalry, Vegeta and Goku end up with the exact amount necessary to make sense of what is said about Boo. Ultimate Gohan: 450,000,000,000 Boohan: ~750,000,000,000 Son Goku(Post Diffusion): 8,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan: 400,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan 2: 800,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan 3: 3,200,000,000,000 Vegeta(Post Diffusion): 8,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan: 400,000,000,000 -Super Saiyan 2: 800,000,000,000 Pure Boo: 900,000,000,000 -Full Power: 3,000,000,000,000
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Event Horizon	Jun 25 2016, 03:56 PM Post #9
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	I see no possible way to make sense of the anime. 1. SSJ Goku beat Illusion Gohan who is exactly as strong as Ultimate Gohan. SSJ Vegeta held his own against SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo. 2. Goku states that Evil Boo is too much for them, then proceeds to stand up to him with Vegeta as regular SSJs. Granted, Evil Boo was pretty much trolling with them, but still. Already here, it's a cluster f***. Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo > SSJ Goku ~ SSJ Vegeta > Illusion Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo WTF?



KidBuu55	Jun 25 2016, 08:55 PM Post #10
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	It's pretty obvious to me, the anime always implied Goku was stronger than Gotenks - From Kaioshin's questions about Gotenks power relative to Gohan's to his comments about Goku fighting Evil Buu Gotenks absorbed. Beyond that, when Goku and Vegeta escape Buu 2 things happen: 1. They make a comment that they have "returned to normal" alluding to this being a concern and an issues. 2. That while Buu is powering up into Kid Buu that his power was almost (but didn't) nearing his power has Evil Buu Gohan/Gotenks absorbed. So yeah, if people watched it without their preconceived bias, then they could EASILY understand what was being shown.



EMIYA	Jun 25 2016, 10:37 PM Post #11
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	You really can't. You still have Goku's statement that they can't defeat Boo without fusion and at no point is size ever gien. At no point does Goku allude to there being a problem in size. He still makes it very clear that without Potara, he and Vegeta don't have a chance against Gohan Boo. It's made very clear that he doesn't stand a chance against Gotenks Boo. It become a matter of not just other people telling him he doesn't have a chance, it becomes a matter of he himself admitting he doesn't stand a chance. But then here comes Goku somehow fighting against Ghost Gohan and winning and he's not only fighting blow for blow with Kid Boo, it's still stated that at full power he could destroy him. The same Boo who is outright stated in the anime to be on a whole other level from all the other Boo's faced just now. So Goku in his infinite wisdom, thought the best way to fight against the much weaker Majin Boos, Boo's that were proven later down the line he could've beaten, if not one shot...hell Vegeta alone could've taken on Super Boo at least. Instead Goku opts for the great plan of trying to fuse forever with Gohan, Vegeta and one point, even Mr. Satan, The guy who loves his individuality more than anything else and hates the idea of working together or not getting something done on his own to the point where he got shot in the heart for his trouble, was willing to fuse with Mr. Satan to fight a guy he could have beaten on his own...and easily at that. You can't do anything here. That's not just contradiction, that's a steaming load of BS.



* Yu Narukami	Jun 25 2016, 11:16 PM Post #12
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	In regards to size, would a tiny Vegetto be able to defeat Boo?



+ Clearin	Jun 25 2016, 11:27 PM Post #13
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Well, a candy Vegetto could



* Yu Narukami	Jun 25 2016, 11:29 PM Post #14
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Well, if a tiny Vegetto could beat Boo, then a tiny Goku should be able to if he's stronger than Boo, right?



SuperSaiyan1993	Jun 25 2016, 11:41 PM Post #15
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	The key question is whether Goku knew they could return to normal size upon escaping Super Buu. When Goku and Vegeta fought Miniature Super Buu, they overpowered him. Yet, they could not use ki attacks to escape Super Buu. Thus, the anime seems to imply miniature attacks can damage an opponent of the same size but not an opponent of a large size. As for the Vegito argument above, this can be reconciled. Because the gap between Vegito and Buu was so great, it transcended the power limitations of the miniature form. Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Jun 25 2016, 11:44 PM.
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